[17/05/05 14:17]
It's been the talk of E3. And here it is. Killzone 2 on PlayStation 3

It's the footage that everyone's been talking about - and now you get to see Killzone 2 on PS3 for yourself.

While the original Killzone on PS2 failed to live up to its initial hype as being a supposed Halo-beater( Renzo Says: killzone is great u nub ), everyone's already cast aside any doubts about its next-gen follow-up after seeing the clip below.

Anyway, enough of the chat. Get downloading.
Link = GamesRadar

I saw an article that this whole video may be prerendered, just a CG movie. Knowing that, it doesn't really impress me at all.

its real time.plus its NO where near final build quality

Lol, there is no real way to tell if that is real or a CG movie unless you have played it, have you?

here is the article

ok firstly read from more reliable sources,and on au.playstation there was a discussion on it and more ppl think its real time.

its just to early to know what the games are gonna look like,sony has 10 months to finish off the launch tittles

plus that headline says " Possibly Pre-rendered "

nuff said

Firstly, I said " I saw an article that this whole video may be prerendered, just a CG movie. Knowing that, it doesn't really impress me at all." Note the emphasis on 'may'.
Secondly 1up.com is a very reliable source.
Thirdly you have given a website to playstation site, so the chances of that being unbiased are slim.

The only real way to tell is to play the game.

Lol au.playstation has nintendo and xbox followers because its the most active aus gaming forum so everyone goes there. you hardly ever see " biased opinions "

namely console wars


And Phil Harrison said himself its real time,why would sony lie about it,when they know its gonna hurt them in the long run if they made it up, pretty pointless showing a CG movie if their there to show off what the hardware can do, if it is a CG movie then the game is in its early stage ( unlikely since it was announced a while back ) and EA showed some games in real time that looked better,because they were already reaching potential.

Sony would lie to get a larger fanbase, so people think "Wow, that's fricking awesome, I'm definately getting that." They also did something similar with the unveiling of the PS2, releasing great videos only to say that they weren't in-game.

Yeah, so I don't think either of us are going to change the others mind, so lets leave it as is.

sony already have the largest fanbase

lol true,lets stay on topico

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748475/vids_1.html

Definitely Getting a PS3 and Killzone!

Good To Hear

Hah, not that Renzo here is a loyal Sony sheep or anything....

I Have also seen the Unreal 3 video which IS in realtime, as they demonstrated it by moving around the scene in real time, which also looks incredible.

I have not yet seen any proof that the Killzone 2 movie is real time, and knowing how sony like to pre-render marketing images (GT4 adverts anyone?) I will be reserving judgement for when I see it demoed real time(and not doing as renzo claims 'everybody' is by NOT casting aside any doubts).

Did I mention the Unreal 3 movie was awesome?

Let's hope Sony pull it off.

yeh im a loyal sony suporeter ..not a sheep ( grabs shotgun )

And yeh,sony will pull it off

of course they will, have they ever failed?

lets look into history shall we

ps1-quite possibly the most influential gaming system since NES

ps2- SO far ahead of its time, it competed with [and beat] systems that were developed 2 years after it.

psp- hands down the most advanced hand held gaming system to date, and the most influential one since the original GB

ps4-from its current status, the most advanced gaming platfrom ever developed.

and thats just the gaming portion, look around your house, look at everything sony has made and revolutionized in the past 5 decades

radio-created the first portable [pocket size] transistor radio
first "micro tv"-still the size of shoe box but revolutionary all the same
Trinitron color tv-first company to ever produce it
VCR-first company to ever make that
Walkman-first company to ever make that
Portable CD player-again, first company to ever make it

could of not said it beter myself

everything in my room is sony...except my comp

Sony as a company are failing though(minus the gaming side). Sony invented the walkman and now they can't even make a dent in the portable Mp3 player market. Sony Tv's are just plain bad nowadays. I bought a Trinitron 32" TV two years ago, it lasted one and a half years. Pathetic to say the least.

Powerfull? hell yes! Influential? F*** no! PSP=playstation portable. It's litterally a portable playstation. I'm not saying thats a bad thing, but there is a reason why the DS double it in sales.

influential as in it is a far greater step toward the evolution of hand held gaming.

the DS offers nothing new

ok now,the Trinitron does not last only one and a half years LOL , u must have done something to it, and sony mp3s are a leading seller in aus.Along side Sony Xplod Car sterios,Hi-fi systems and what not.sony profits are great atm,and with their ps2 still selling in the high millions .....

The psp is influential because it shows how tech has improved allowing sony to make a portable "ps2" , the Ds did not double the psp sales,maybe at 1 point,only because,sony released a limited number of psps in japan in january/Febuary and it owned the DS in sales even with limited numbers,At Gamebiz they show the figures, when gran turismo portible gets released on psp,AND when the psp hits PAL regions in a few months time,watch out nintendo. Once the psp gets the A+ Games onto the psp ( Final fantasy,a proper metal gear solid ect ) sales booostt

Ds might be selling more now,only because its cheaper by around $200..well in aus anyway.

And nintendo tryed that whole double screen idea in the gameboy YEARS ago and it didnt work,so they tryed again .

~~~~~~~~~~~ ON TOPIC!!

Looks like Killzone has a rivial...also from sony o.O ....1-8

Wow, it's true I never realised before SONY is the coporate incarnation of the our lord Christ! They can walk on water, and turn AA batteries into wine.

Come now. Let's be realistic.

ps1 - quite possibly the most influential marketing campaign since the invention of videogames.

ps2- a piece of ****. Sorry you guys. I hate it. The machine breaks after 2 minutes, and the graphics are crap.

psp - lovely screen. non-working buttons... great design!

ps3 - looking good so far


but come on. you dont need to worship SONY. they are a company out to get your money, not a deity concerned with your well being.

Get some perspective will you.

Errrr, when was the gameboy ever 2 screen? I think you chat shite there mate.

The Game & Watch's back in the day, they were double screened.

Mabye your too young to remember...

"ps2- a piece of ****. Sorry you guys. I hate it. The machine breaks after 2 minutes, and the graphics are crap."


how are the graphics crap,its just harder to develop on plus the ps2 was made to go up against the dreamcast,and it wasted sega in a few months.
Ive had my ps2 since launch and ive had 0 problems,no DRES no nothing.
Plus the ps2s GS is the strongest with the most GFLOPS,thats what consoles are rated on now,xbox cross platform games might look better,only because it has a seperate GPU when the ps2 needs to do it all in EE. This has been argued since 2001 soo..

And nintendo DID release a double screen handheld a few years ago

http://www.craphound.com/images/dkwatch.jpg

failed pretty bad from what i read,so no,i dont talk ****

on topic


E3 2005: Killzone for PS3 - exclusive Q&A

Jan-Bart Van Beek is the Game Director of the PS3 Killzone at Guerrilla Games, and has spent the last few months working on the trailer that really blew the crowd away at Monday's PLAYSTATION 3 unveiling. After a second showing of the trailer at the SCEE conference received another rapturous round of applause, we caught up with Jan to find out more.

How do you feel about the reaction to the trailer that was shown yesterday?

Jan-Bart: It's been an amazing reception, the rush you get from seeing your own stuff on the big screen like that, and then the reaction to it, it's a big rush, I'm really happy about it.

How long ago did work start on the sequence?

Jan-Bart: We started working on it in late November, and only finished it three days before the show, at the very, very last moment!

It seemed like Killzone, only more so! Is that what we can expect from the finished game?

Jan-Bart: We want to avoid having just Killzone with more beautiful graphics. We want to add a lot more to it than that. So we're adding a lot more character interaction, with the ways they respond to you and how you can react to them. There's a lot more interactions between characters like you see in the trailer, people dragging each other off out of combat and helping each other, giving each other their weapons - a lot more real human interaction, basically.

[Ben Duncan, the game's Producer] It's like with the Alfred Molina demo, the quality of facial animation we can get with the characters means you'll really feel that emotional sense of being part of a unit and fighting together. Characters working together, comrades pulling each other back from the field of battle; that kind of thing is really going to move the genre forward.

There's a great moment where you see an ISA ally take out a Helghan with his rifle butt to save your bacon... is that representative of the kind of sophisticated behaviour we'll start seeing in artificial intelligence when PS3 arrives?

Jan-Bart: Yes, totally, it's just the start. Characters will be very aware, very alert to how they might be able to help you. That moment [with the rifle butt] is a good example of how it can add a little visual 'wow' to it all.

Is the Killzone sequence a fair example of what people can expect from realtime gameplay on PlayStation 3?

Jan-Bart: Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make.

Have you found PS3 easy to work with?

JB: Yes, we're really impressed with it. The Cell is amazingly powerful, and the graphics CPU [the RSX, co-developed with Nvidia] in there... it's actually hard to mimic it on our development PCs, we have to see it on the PS3 hardware itself. It's really nice to be working with such powerful hardware.

As yet, high definition TV isn't that widespread, especially outside of the US - are you concerned that some players won't get to see your game in as much detail as is intended?

JB: No, I think in two, three years' time, HDTV will be a lot more accepted worldwide. We'll start out with 720p and then [onto 1080p] as there's now this product [PS3] that people will want to buy a new TV for.

Thanks, and congratulations on the work.

JB: Thanks! [Beams proudly]

http://au.playstation.com/news/ps3_killzone_interview.jhtml

tell me a company that doesnt want your money?

ALL HAIL SONY!!!!

Yeah, because the touch screen, WiFi play and mic have been done a hundred times before.


I do not know went through your mind when you wrote that!

And when Nintendo releases A+ games like Mario kart, Super smash bros. (both online!) and super mario bros. then what? If you haven't noticed so far, the DS' line-up of games are for from excellent. There is no reason why the PSP isn't outselling the DS.


That was the Game & Watch. Released over 10 years ago, very different to a Gameboy.


so what does that actually mean?

so its the Game & Watch,on a nintendo forum i read it was a failed gameboy or something that was released years ago,thanks for the input.


and on the ps2 GS ( graphics synthanizer ) around 4 years ago there was a ps2 vs dreamcast debate and i was part of it then someone metioned the then new xbox console ect,someone posted an indepth guide to the xbox cpu and what not and in comparisions xboxs cpu could handle 3.2 million..or billion calculations per second or something ( it was a long time ago ) , and the ps2s cpu could handle 6.2 million/billion. And IGN stated that Jak3 that was developed solely on ps2 looked better than 95% xbox and gamecube games, just goes to show what u can do when u learn the machine,rather than xbox using direct X ,thats really easy to develop on.

Thats what their comparing for next generation with ps3 handing 2TFLOPS ( 2 trillion floating operations per second ) ( its 4am @_@ ) , and yeh,thats why the developers are chosing ps3 over xbox360 atm.

umm as for the ds not offering anything new... i meant not offering anything thats new thats either GOOD [for one] or not on another platform

the only thing DS has that PSP doesnt is the touch screen, which is so damn gay!!!

ive tryed playing on my friend's ds metroid and mario with touch screen, it was so damn boring.

my arm got tired of being in that position and the game nearly fell out of my left hand cause i was clicking and holding the entire weight of it with one hand

and the controls with the TS are like move this about, and tap, or double tap

but you realise that with the shoulder buttons and the A and B button you have more buttons u can use then just with one little stylus

Thats all opinion. Everyone else I know who has played a DS was amazed.

and a built-in mic and two screens. The only thing the PSP has over the DS is better graphics.


It's not about having more buttons, it's about interacting with games by touching what you see.

psp has...

movie capabilities
Music
WI-FI
visualls to match the ps2

And the flexability to last YEARS

So does Ds, (if it has play-yan)

I thought the PSP was really fragile. I don't think it can really last more than a few years, well for the average gamer anyway.

no, whats revolutionary about the PSP is in fact its graphics

its amazing, nothing even comes close. the reason its so revolutionary is because its such a great stride forward. not little baby steps such as DS, this is huge leap

well psp has it all outta the box

cant wait till it hits PAL regions

Well, I think that says it all... this Killzone Demo IS NOT what players will see running on the hardware in realtime, this is merely an example of the 'look and feel'.

Yet another example of Sony using unrealistic 'pre-rendered' sequences or images for marketing purposes.

Typical.

And Microsoft Didnt?



from what ive read,none of the next gen consoles showed at e3 besides The Getway 3 was running on next gen hardware.

Sony And Nvidia Are still finishing GPU For ps3

The Kill Zone 2 trailer is CGI, I thought that was fairly obvious.

Really? The new handhelds really dissapoint me, there is a single game out there that really makes me want to play them. Looks like I'll have to wait for Trace memory. Other games on handhelds just don't seem all that appealing.

The reason I want a PSP is because it looks so damn cool!

Finally, the truth of the matter.

PSP is nothing more than another willy extension for money-worshippers and techno-elitests.

Yes, the screen is gorgeous, yes it has 3d graphics nearly on a par with ps2 but WHERE ARE THE KILLER GAMES?

I agree with glitch, none of the new handhelds are offering any games that i really want to play (or at the very least pay for).

The fact that Renzo and others like him (I'm not trying to pick on you Renzo) are so quick to start spouting useless technical mumbo jumbo (X GFLOPS, etc,) when someone states that they don't like PS2 is a testament to Sony's marketing power.

Am I not allowed to not like PS2?

thats besides the point,on t.v ( in aus ) they gave a psp and ds to kids and all the kids said

* i like the psp more coz i can play movies and listen to Mp3 and play games with great graphics *


the only thing that was on the ds was some crummy Pictochat,Wow u can write out crap on screen, big deal, the psp has Killer Apps with Gran turismo,Killzone ( third person on psp ) , Grand theft auto LS.

The only downside is that the psp costs double of the DS, the psp has alot more potential to go further and last longer in the Handheld market.

ON TOPIC.

Killzone 2 , everyones saying its gonna be on ps2 and Killzone 3 on ps3,with all the money Guirilla put into the Killzone Engine,u would think they would atleast make another game on ps2,Hope thats true.

Plus theres a Killzone Game comming on psp,rumoured to be a third person tittle to rival Socom.

Off topic:

Yeah but thats kids. Kids buy whatever is "cool" and admittedly the PSP does look cool. No killer apps on PSP as of yet, they will take a while. The DS has much better games e.g Advance Wars, Metroid Prime hunetrs and Mario Kart (ONLINE!!!).
Nearly every good game on PSP is avaliable on the PS2. Would you really sacrifice graphics, sound and overall playability for portability? I wouldn't. I wouldn't watch movies on PSP outside of the house either, thats just asking to get mugged. I could do with some form of MP3 player.

On topic:
The original KillZone has many flaws. I'm hoping for much more consistent graphics, consistent framate and some decent A.I. I don't see that happening on the PSP version.

the original killzone is great,i was reading how the a.i works in the game not long ago aswell, no noticable flaws to most of the killzone comune since the game is so great,offline and online.It was underrated by Halo Fanboys since halo 2 sucked offline and killzone was a much higher quality game.

its all about what games u like, personally mario is getting tiresome,expect mario kart,mario golf and that useless mario party,mario tennis and so on,nothing inoative there,PSP has much better games, Wipout Pure is a killer App,and theres much more, imagine going on a long road trip,u can just get out your psp and watch a movie,DS brings nothing new except for the Duel Screen. Mario Kart is boring, the only good thing is Metroid Prime since im a fan of the series.

I played the original Killzone for about an hour and noticed quite a few flaws. Namely the A.I. There lack of cover taking and they just running along in lines. In a word the A.I. in Killzone is terrible. The framrate drops constantly and sometimes for no apparrent reasons. Also the graphics also flicker quite a bit. I'm not saying it's a terrible game, but it's far from perfect.

Wipeout is the best PSP game, I highly doubt it. Lumines is amazing. I played Wipeout Pure (granted, not for very long) but i didn't see anything really special about it.

Mario Kart boring? THE biggest oxymoron of them all. There are many sequels to mario kart for a reason, the game rocks. Would they really bother with so many of them otherwise?

lol coz its all nintendo got to appeal to the younger market with a known franchise,all Mario Games,its nothing new,i love mario ill admit that since it was my very first games,Dr.Mario and Super Mario Bros 3,and i own Mario Sunshine on Gamecube and Mario Cart on GBA,its the same old same old, every magazine says it to,they need originality or else the revolution is gonna fail early just like the cube did. and for the killzone A.I , u didnt play long enough, the A.I always takes cover,near walls they put their back to the wall and fire and hide again,maybe u played on easy or something and i rarely never see the frame rate drop,4 years in development
the graphics engine is very strong,i only noticed a few frame drops in multiplayer in a 7v7.

Its been said a thousand times before,u cant keep recycling the same overs over and over, Mario Party what,1,2,3,4,5,6 or something only square-Enix can do that with the productional value or the final fantasy games.,plus gamers have matured,u would never see a 25 yr old walk into a shop and buy a DS and Gamecube with Mario Games,thats where sony and microsoft advance,only nintendo fanboys will say the same thing,Mario Kart rules when nintendo need to bring something different.

Nintendo doesn't have to appeal to the younger audience, but if they do then anyone can buy the game. Nintendo has made games for the older gamers before with games like Metroid Prime and Geist. They just usually tell other companies (like Capcom) to make older games for their console.

Originality in the revolution? Well, I'm hoping they call it "revolution" for a reason.

I think you're giving it more credit than it deserves. Killzone the best FPS ever? Try Perfect Dark.

i love perfect dark on the 64,so many hours played there in multiplayer but i like killzone more,i got really hooked on it.

http://www.acegamez.co.uk/Killzone_PS2.htm
^ that site tells abit about it

Capcom was making those Gamecube " special 5 " , 2 got cancelled and the rest ended up on ps2 coz of poor gamecube sales,resident evil 4 has more weapons and a extra level on the ps2 version and in Viewtfull Joe Dante made it on sonys console,i was waiting so long for Killer7 on the cube but alot of sites said it was crap but ill play it for myself,now that its on ps2 ill get the ps2 version since i prefere the controlls.

Nintendo has always had that image of the " fun console " thats aimed at kids with colourfull games and such, like Zelda:the wind wacker,Pokemon and others and to the casual gamer that just dont appeal.

Like i posted in PC and Console Games
http://cyberiapc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8028

And Revolution not as powerfull as both Ps3 and Xbox360,and nintendo saying that themselfs at E3,will that put gamers off their console, i dont really see what the revolution brings besides A-Grade First Party Games Like the usuall. ill be getting a revolution since its going to be cost effective and i wanna play metroid prime,but without a new standard of true-to-life physic that made games like Half life 2 really good that the ps3 can only handle,then what O_O.

Out of the Capcom "special 5" one got canceled (Dead Pheonix), and the other games were announced for PS2 before they even reached GC, so I doubt it was because of poor games sales. Much of Capcom's shareholders are PS2 fans and wanted to see the game appear on PS2 or they would threaten to sell shares. In the end it's all about making money.

Killzone 10/10? I only picked up on one bad point that reviewer mentions. That wasn't a review, thats advertising! Ivan Sulic from IGN gave Killzone 7.5, Brad Shoemaker gave Killzone 6.9, heck, Thomas Puha pushed the boat out and gave it 8.0. These sources are much more credible than Acegamez, who I've never actually heard of.

Nintendo don't want to make a console with ridiculously realistic graphics, they could if they wanted to. Revolution is about changing they way people see and play games. Sony is doning what with the games market? They can't get very far while constantly upgrading power.

lol ok,i havent got time to reply since im about to go out,but whats the revolution bringing thats new anyways.

In all honestyI have no idea , but they claim to be doing that, so I'm sticking with it, Unless ofcourse, the idea completely sucks I'll have to get an 360.

alot of gamers wernt impressed that nintendo didnt show nothing about the revolution at E3,no games,no nothing, but ill keep a look out if anything pops out about a revolution game or any official hardware specs.

On Topico

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